tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4484179975023681831.post5986692488285047376..comments2024-03-07T03:45:46.154-08:00Comments on The Financial Jonestown: My experience with the Amway Motivational Organization (AMO) URAssociation.: The Shot Heard 'Round The UplineURASuckerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15891316640819836010noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4484179975023681831.post-54557163438633423832016-06-07T15:50:34.431-07:002016-06-07T15:50:34.431-07:00Anonymous,
I don't think anyone here has desc...Anonymous,<br /><br />I don't think anyone here has described AMO's as being "forceful". There were no uplines holding guns to people's heads to sell soap, kidnapping family members to recruit more members, or framing and blackmailing them at work to attend the next seminar. <br /><br />You clearly have missed the point of this post. It is to show the lunacy of upline, the business model, and the seminars. In fact, he is showing he wasn't forced to do anything, because he got out and has never been back. <br /><br />This is a very common IBO defense tactic...you were forced or coerced into the situation and free will was taken away...but that isn't my experience (they are still being love bombed and are too diluted to understand they have the exact same crap going on around them). The blinders are on and everything is rainbows now, but give it as much time as he or Joecool has, and you will probably be changing your tune (Statistics suggest that between 50-90% of IBO's in their time frame quit).Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09218448308057670565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4484179975023681831.post-24101648393612006462016-06-07T12:47:31.821-07:002016-06-07T12:47:31.821-07:00Pretty much anyone who registers with Amway will b...Pretty much anyone who registers with Amway will be in some AMO, and there are many of them.Joecoolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09121920263105613498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4484179975023681831.post-22704019914682355312016-06-07T12:46:53.589-07:002016-06-07T12:46:53.589-07:00The AMOs were originally made as I understood it, ...The AMOs were originally made as I understood it, as a way to motivate and train people, especially IBOs who may not have direct access to the upline leaders.<br /><br />But then the upline leaders discovered how profitable selling tools was and that's when the true Amway scam was born.Joecoolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09121920263105613498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4484179975023681831.post-19633983716561366222016-06-07T12:45:30.952-07:002016-06-07T12:45:30.952-07:00Yes, conmen don't force people to do anything....Yes, conmen don't force people to do anything. They con you into doing it for yourself.Joecoolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09121920263105613498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4484179975023681831.post-13883117745693050842016-06-06T11:23:20.886-07:002016-06-06T11:23:20.886-07:00After reading this im sorry you had a shitty exper...After reading this im sorry you had a shitty experience. Im part of an organization and ive never been forced to do anything. I did everything my choice. I guess not everyone has the same experienceAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4484179975023681831.post-33324295543734646132016-06-06T11:19:53.941-07:002016-06-06T11:19:53.941-07:00OK, I see. But I know that when I was involved (a...OK, I see. But I know that when I was involved (around 1970-71), these AMOs didn't exist. You were simply in "somebody's line," as for example Charlie Marsh's line. I assume the AMOs developed a bit later, for the protective reason that you mention, but also as a way for generating cash for up-line via the tools and functions.<br /><br />The idea of Amway using the various AMOs to legally protect itself reminds me of the Mafia practice of farming out contract murders through several descending levels of mobsters, so that the actual trigger-man had no idea who was hiring him for the hit, or why.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4484179975023681831.post-51369461414346214902016-06-06T11:02:43.154-07:002016-06-06T11:02:43.154-07:00As far as I can tell, that is the case. I just tr...As far as I can tell, that is the case. I just tried signing up on the website, and they said I must have a sponsor first. I am not familiar with anyone being a direct Amway IBO, because there is too much risk for Amway. It is easier for them to hide behind these other companies and create layers (another reason for why they changed their name to quixtar, then back to Amway, then reincorporated under Alticor and gutted Amway)...it's all stupid legal loophole defense tactic nonsense.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09218448308057670565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4484179975023681831.post-295933915305700762016-06-06T10:23:16.084-07:002016-06-06T10:23:16.084-07:00Forgive my ignorance, but do you mean it is no lon...Forgive my ignorance, but do you mean it is no longer possible to become an Amway IBO without being part of one of these AMO systems?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4484179975023681831.post-74786237879673427502016-06-06T07:14:08.960-07:002016-06-06T07:14:08.960-07:00I believe Amway may have been more involved with t...I believe Amway may have been more involved with the distributors in the past, and they probably fed off of the religious hunger of their peons. However, today Amway is well submerged behind these ridiculous AMO (Amway Motivational Organization, i.e. WWDB, URAssociation, BWW) groups that can take these zealous measures to brainwash and manipulate people. It is hard to attach this type of behavior directly to Amway, because the distributor has to go through this outrageous AMO to even order products.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09218448308057670565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4484179975023681831.post-58611587844849768122016-06-04T09:14:02.311-07:002016-06-04T09:14:02.311-07:00Concerning Ben Dover's comment of June 1: I do...Concerning Ben Dover's comment of June 1: I don't understand why it isn't more widely recognized that Amway, as a social and cultural reality, is basically a small-town Evangelical Protestant thing. As a Catholic, I was appalled when Amway bigshots pushed me to attend heretical Protestant services. They were simply dumbfounded when I refused.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4484179975023681831.post-33554132411411647962016-06-03T11:58:36.939-07:002016-06-03T11:58:36.939-07:00I don't remember specifically because I was in...I don't remember specifically because I was in a state of surreal realization. My guess is that it went to the preacher and a few of the hucksters assisting him during his service. They were absolutely raking it in, and if I were making money like he was, I think I would've been jumping around that stage as well. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09218448308057670565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4484179975023681831.post-17155299254734031392016-06-02T22:25:32.896-07:002016-06-02T22:25:32.896-07:00Hahahaha! I was reading this like "wait a min...Hahahaha! I was reading this like "wait a minute...I thought he was on OUR side! LOLURASuckerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15891316640819836010noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4484179975023681831.post-54489510153147316652016-06-02T11:13:03.438-07:002016-06-02T11:13:03.438-07:00Ben, I wonder where the tithe collection went afte...Ben, I wonder where the tithe collection went after the service? Into the pockets of the diamonds?Joecoolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09121920263105613498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4484179975023681831.post-69740471372338144462016-06-02T07:07:52.538-07:002016-06-02T07:07:52.538-07:00Guess you can just work that J.O.B. for the rest o...Guess you can just work that J.O.B. for the rest of your life, and buy your boss HIS dream home. Guess you're proof that not everyone has the drive or discipline to be a business owner. Guess you don't care enough about your friends to help change their lives.<br /><br />(Sorry.... I was just noticing that these kinds of comments haven't arrived yet. Guess that crowd is too busy working overtime to pay for the upcoming Summer Conference!!)Anthony Nunezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09242610826264193511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4484179975023681831.post-84258517394301969592016-06-01T07:56:34.538-07:002016-06-01T07:56:34.538-07:00My "aha!" Moment was when I got done wit...My "aha!" Moment was when I got done with the second day of my FED, and my upline insisted upon me driving out bright and early for the sermon that started the last day of talks. He knew I'm not religious, and certainly not Christian, yet he still felt it was imperative to make me feel bad if I refused to come, and made it feel as though it was a part of my initiation. <br /><br />I actually went, and watched what could be described as truly awesome. (I'm sure you are thinking...why would he use that word?) A 65+ year old man was flying around the stage and inspiring thousands. He found a way to get everyone to run up to the stage and praise his words of wisdom. Finally, he got people to DONATE to him...the same people who were trying to save and make money because they don't have any...and he wasn't taking small amounts either (I believe it ranged from $10 to a couple hundred) and the people collecting were ruby's and platinum's...how embarrassing as they were the uplines and they were being told to beg for money essentially. <br /><br />I ignored many red flags, but that was the final straw. I had never been more frustrated with compromising my own values, and now I had to deal with a religious nut for a supposed business opportunity. NO THANKS!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09218448308057670565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4484179975023681831.post-77931310386166517112016-05-29T22:46:13.767-07:002016-05-29T22:46:13.767-07:00I get it now. Thanks!I get it now. Thanks!Jerry D.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4484179975023681831.post-33837291707805340172016-05-29T20:26:07.670-07:002016-05-29T20:26:07.670-07:00You can upset someone so much that they run back t...You can upset someone so much that they run back to the problem for comfort, which the URA more than gladly would have done. URASuckerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15891316640819836010noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4484179975023681831.post-62136678584584299772016-05-29T14:30:08.450-07:002016-05-29T14:30:08.450-07:00I don't understand, how can trying to save him...I don't understand, how can trying to save him end up sending him back into it?Jerry D.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4484179975023681831.post-6041184793389069252016-05-29T00:52:06.523-07:002016-05-29T00:52:06.523-07:00Nah. May have the reverse effect and send him back...Nah. May have the reverse effect and send him back into it. It's like any other cult. URASuckerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15891316640819836010noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4484179975023681831.post-27032274775684910382016-05-29T00:44:59.714-07:002016-05-29T00:44:59.714-07:00Thank you for your answer. Ever get the urge to ca...Thank you for your answer. Ever get the urge to call Matthew and reopen the subject, to try to save him now?Jerry D.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4484179975023681831.post-74435512326745657872016-05-29T00:38:11.571-07:002016-05-29T00:38:11.571-07:00Looking back, I probably should have. But at the t...Looking back, I probably should have. But at the time I did what I FELT was right. And what I FEEL is right may not be what THEY feel. I guess I still had an soft spot for them since they were so nice to me. <br /><br />As far as revenge on 'Matthew' he was suckered just like I was. He was just in deeper. I don't see him post much anymore about URA like he used to. I'm thinking he's on his way out too. URASuckerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15891316640819836010noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4484179975023681831.post-7568028995492713292016-05-28T22:02:12.699-07:002016-05-28T22:02:12.699-07:00What a sad sad story. But cathartic and told very ...What a sad sad story. But cathartic and told very well. You took me through Amway hell as I relived that with you in detail. I am just astonished that you didn't try to seek revenge on 'Mathew' for thinking he could pressure you like that and twist your arm for his financial gain. Also, resisting the urge to try to get all your group to defect with you is surprising. How were you able to resist doing that? Didn't you feel at all that you should at least try to warn them about 'touching the hot stove', so they would save their time and money and stop their losses earlier?Jerry D.noreply@blogger.com