tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4484179975023681831.post1919722885774732621..comments2024-03-07T03:45:46.154-08:00Comments on The Financial Jonestown: My experience with the Amway Motivational Organization (AMO) URAssociation.: Cultism on YouTube: The Lawnmower Man - A Message to Larry WintersURASuckerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15891316640819836010noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4484179975023681831.post-37760225599181076872020-10-01T19:41:36.583-07:002020-10-01T19:41:36.583-07:00Exactly! Exactly! URASuckerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15891316640819836010noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4484179975023681831.post-50790863550278421682020-10-01T19:41:07.675-07:002020-10-01T19:41:07.675-07:00I did. I quit. Best decision EVER. How deep in the...I did. I quit. Best decision EVER. How deep in the hole are you now? URASuckerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15891316640819836010noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4484179975023681831.post-25382422241830358302020-09-07T06:24:33.440-07:002020-09-07T06:24:33.440-07:00I’d say cultish. True cults focus on a false relig...I’d say cultish. True cults focus on a false religion. My exposure showed them to never deny Christ. I agree 100% that anyone looking at this should look at it from profit loss like a true business. Granted one may make $800-1000 as a 4000 Pv but what was the net after business expenses? Don’t even factor in the premium priced products? Which is a constant drag on the budget. Yes, the motivation and education has benefits but again a premium. Bottom line as someone said, the real money is in the education (books, tapes (yes old term) and functions. They sort of disclose this but never to the true reality. The biggest issue to me is how they co mingle business and Faith. I heard so often how the Sunday morning service was why they did what they did. Ok then why were you so explicit about anyone attending the function MUST be sure and buy their ticket from their uplines line of sponsorship? Because ultimately it was about keeping track of attendance or ticket sales and this dictated how much of the cut of the proceeds they received. Seems awfully disingenuous. Lots of smoke and mirrors with some hint of truth. Disclosure I guess. They only disclose what they believe you are ready to hear and not divulge, sort of like the firm. Jasper Jomesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4484179975023681831.post-30096404225795686162020-05-28T20:13:50.546-07:002020-05-28T20:13:50.546-07:00I know the book you're talking about! I'd ...I know the book you're talking about! I'd like to read it myself. Guy's name was Eric Scheibler I believe. He was interviewed on Dateline's investigation of it. Ironically, there's footage of Winters on that investigation as well! URASuckerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15891316640819836010noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4484179975023681831.post-28298134204996407142020-04-21T10:31:34.584-07:002020-04-21T10:31:34.584-07:00I was introduced to the Amway business from my son...I was introduced to the Amway business from my son, I saw what was going on and after 2 "functions" I walked away. I can not convince my son that they are a "cult" and I have read where MANY have lost so much money that they have had to file for bankruptcy. I have even read the book Merchants of Deception, which was written by an Emerald in the business before he figured it all out himself. I only wish that I could convince my son before they bleed him dry.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4484179975023681831.post-51309950245012175552019-11-08T17:20:12.185-08:002019-11-08T17:20:12.185-08:00I am. I’m telling them about how to save their mon...I am. I’m telling them about how to save their money and stop fattening the pockets of con men. URASuckerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15891316640819836010noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4484179975023681831.post-54783261980876395352019-10-08T21:17:19.601-07:002019-10-08T21:17:19.601-07:00You mean you've been hanging around wasting mo...You mean you've been hanging around wasting money. Join book a club that's basically what most are getting anyway. Go see a licensed therapist if you need encouragement you're suffering from a psychological disorder. You need good friends, not people taking your money.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12088465561523469835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4484179975023681831.post-30042014046297626632018-02-16T10:20:19.528-08:002018-02-16T10:20:19.528-08:00I think what my brother in arms is saying, is that...I think what my brother in arms is saying, is that after "business expenses" like CONference tickets, CD's/Tools, traveling, buying samples/PV,etc. that there's not a DECENT profit at the end of it. <br /><br />He's speaking FIGURATIVELY! <br /><br />Example: The URA may not be constipated, but they're still full of shit. :) <br /><br />-URASucker Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4484179975023681831.post-70370022634552219252018-01-30T14:55:37.653-08:002018-01-30T14:55:37.653-08:00I found that there was no money at 4000 PV.... yea...I found that there was no money at 4000 PV.... yeah, give me a break man! If there was no money at 4000 PV then there should be no money at 100 PV either! You're trying to tell me that you went 4000 PV when there was no money at 100 PV?! Like I believe you! Nice try though!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4484179975023681831.post-21317170075272732382018-01-04T02:32:26.750-08:002018-01-04T02:32:26.750-08:00Exactly. If I want motivation I will watch YouTube...Exactly. If I want motivation I will watch YouTube. Plenty of free content that can change lives if applied. I didn’t join Amway/URA for that, I joined to make money. You don’t make money in that business. Period.Paint That Dreamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10202998919523504457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4484179975023681831.post-22678734526691905702018-01-04T02:19:54.099-08:002018-01-04T02:19:54.099-08:00Let’s call it like it is.
Mr. King - John Crowe
M...Let’s call it like it is.<br /><br />Mr. King - John Crowe<br />Mr. Prince - Dave Dussault<br /><br />Conmen at bestPaint That Dreamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10202998919523504457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4484179975023681831.post-17813107388543486752016-11-22T08:02:04.989-08:002016-11-22T08:02:04.989-08:00You win. You win. URASuckerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15891316640819836010noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4484179975023681831.post-14338158658920102042016-10-17T14:00:12.249-07:002016-10-17T14:00:12.249-07:00Unknown on August 25th said, "What's funn...Unknown on August 25th said, "What's funny is for every one person that quits and becomes a blogger, I guarantee there is someone that stayed in, maybe learned a thing or two about success."<br /><br />I don't think this comment came out the way you meant. You are basically stating, because I'm sure you realize how few bloggers there are in relation to people leaving Amway, that about 1% of the people who join Amway learn something because at most 1% of quitters start a blog (and I think I'm being extremely generous with that number). That means the other 98% simply failed and didn't learn anything? That's not very good numbers.<br /><br />Unknown said, "Learning from LTD taught me how to have a valuable self image and great people skills. With that knowledge I have more than doubled my income outside of Amway. Within Amway we are still trucking, but I'll admit, I haven't really done anything."<br /><br />There are plenty of people out there that can be hired to be success coaches. They will focus on your image, self-esteem, and mentality. They will do it for a fraction of the cost since LTD's "teachings" are never ending. There is no reason to join a "business opportunity" to spend insane amounts of money on developing life skills. It is supposed to be a way to make money, and that needs to be addressed.<br /><br />You have even admitted you aren't making much in Amway, and I'm going out on a limb to say this is your best attempt at saying you are losing your shirt. If you already have a good job, have gotten the life skills training you needed, and aren't making anything in Amway...then it begs the question...why the heck are you still in it? Why are you doing research on the negative aspects of Amway?John Doehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05186871105223753934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4484179975023681831.post-54189097765654669662016-09-12T09:08:37.614-07:002016-09-12T09:08:37.614-07:00I can agree with that to a point. They DO give som...I can agree with that to a point. They DO give some good life advice and there's even a couple points I'd use as a coach. The PROBLEM is, that we attend these CONferences to find out how TO MAKE MONEY LIKE THEM! Motivational speaking is a good appetizer, but we need to get to the meat and potatoes. HOW...DID...YOU...DO...IT. URASuckerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15891316640819836010noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4484179975023681831.post-45487032233569091832016-08-25T07:18:43.587-07:002016-08-25T07:18:43.587-07:00Also, they are very open about where and when the ...Also, they are very open about where and when the money comes. Structure is VERY important. It's super easy not to make any money at 4000pv, all you have to do is not get wide. I was making $400-$500 a month at 1000pv. Not a ton, but certainly enough to matter.StayPositivehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10914639650955851761noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4484179975023681831.post-32431246503559401812016-08-25T07:13:25.671-07:002016-08-25T07:13:25.671-07:00What's funny is for every one person that quit...What's funny is for every one person that quits and becomes a blogger, I guarantee there is someone that stayed in, maybe learned a thing or two about success. Maybe they applied it to their business or maybe they took it somewhere else. I'm an IBO. Learning from LTD taught me how to have a valuable self image and great people skills. With that knowledge I have more than doubled my income outside of Amway. Within Amway we are still trucking, but I'll admit, I haven't really done anything. I've been hanging around for the positivity, encouragement, and success training.StayPositivehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10914639650955851761noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4484179975023681831.post-2890222763329043282016-08-18T18:50:20.961-07:002016-08-18T18:50:20.961-07:00Which was an even greater emphasis to my point. I ...Which was an even greater emphasis to my point. I forgot about how you were doing better than most. URASuckerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15891316640819836010noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4484179975023681831.post-35659350131922729012016-08-18T18:49:22.542-07:002016-08-18T18:49:22.542-07:00Valid point. Could've gone with that angle as ...Valid point. Could've gone with that angle as well. Just emphasizing that they lead their sheep away from the bigger picture. URASuckerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15891316640819836010noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4484179975023681831.post-51755653659323298762016-08-18T18:48:16.562-07:002016-08-18T18:48:16.562-07:00? ? URASuckerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15891316640819836010noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4484179975023681831.post-64572392679705231932016-08-18T17:50:51.754-07:002016-08-18T17:50:51.754-07:00My story's a bit different. I was actually on...My story's a bit different. I was actually on my way to "making it", having reached 4000 PV. But I found that there was no money at 4000 PV. The WWDB leaders expected people to spend any profit on tools and functions.<br /><br />So there's really no money for anyone who's "teachable", until you start to get a cut from the functions (emerald and higher). <br /><br />Yes, Amway people will loan you tools but they will raise the bar as your commitment grows. Eventually you'll be expected to do the same for your downline when you become a "leader". Joecoolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09121920263105613498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4484179975023681831.post-28139820944370036822016-08-18T11:06:20.801-07:002016-08-18T11:06:20.801-07:00I think you give the Amway people a bit too much c...I think you give the Amway people a bit too much credit. They may lend you their tools to help you get started on your lawn, but eventually they will want something in return and that won't stop until you can't give it to them anymore. They don't give without strings attached, and if they helped you with their lawn, then they would expect you to return the favor, but also help paint their house, pave their driveway, wash their cars, fix their roofs, and this wouldn't be a one time thing. They would expect that forever...John Doehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05186871105223753934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4484179975023681831.post-39847099244287003662016-08-17T21:42:20.869-07:002016-08-17T21:42:20.869-07:00Awwwwwwwwwwwwww Shucky Ducky!Awwwwwwwwwwwwww Shucky Ducky!Jerry D.noreply@blogger.com